But yah, I … Goku stated that him and Vegeta can't beat Super Buu once they will be out of his body. So, this means that Super buu is Kid Buu with power SSK, and GSK, without the power restraining. (Anime) and in the Manga he says "Even Gohan can beat you now." Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! ~Shin Izanagi, Can't argue with this. SSJ3 Goku was about equal to Fat Buu. He got to cocky, typical of him when he has the upper hand. The spirit of the SSK, went into Uub. Gohan didn't seem to be trying that much against Super Buu also though. Of course, Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks is stronger than Super Saiya-jin Gotenks. He has two later admissions. If he's stronger than Fat Boo but weaker than Super Boo, that means Super > Fat Boo. Thus Buuhan > Super Buu > Kid Buu. SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. No he isn’t. Ok, Bibidi creates Kid Buu. SSJ2 Goku: 110-SSJ3: 440--Vs. This list includes absorbsions, not just the Buu's normal forms. Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, who fought Super Buu, and Goku said he couldnt beat Super Buu. So, easier to manipulate. In the Anime Filler he is a SSJ3, and no match for Buutenks. After Bee is killed, this causes Fat Buu to go crazy. This way, we might be able to manage something.” Through this statement, Goku believes Kid Buu is roughly Fat Buu level, or at the very least far below Super Buu. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Boo, but said Super Boo would kill him. Goten and Trunks never sensed a power increase with Super Buu, but in RoSaT they admitted that it would take SSJ3 to beat him. There is Zero Evidence that Kid Buu's ki fell after Goku and Vegeta noted that it was rising. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. Now, that could imply a whole hell of a lot about SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan, but that's not what we are talking about. Ok, I am going to start with Kid Buu and see if I can't figure this out. This makes Buutenks undoubtedly the strongest form yet. The good heart of the SGK (not the SSK) caused his Full power to be restrained. Ultimatessj1 (talk) 14:42, March 1, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1. Both Goku and Vegeta felt confident enough that SSJ3 Goku would be able to beat Kid Buu once he had revved up enough power. Now, when the fusion runs out, Buutenks is fighting Goku while Gohan tries to find an earing. I think it's weird that Goku only mentions being stronger than Fat Boo when talking to Vegeta, instead of saying something like "Truth is, I could … He also says that his power has doubled since their last fight. So, with the innocent mind of a child, that would make Fat Buu not even want to do his own deeds, but to do as he is told. Evil Buu and Good Buu. Krillin didn't notice an increase when Freeza transformed, either, but he was still stronger; we can rule Kucklin out of this. Manga Trunks's SS2 was on par with the SS3 Goku who is stronger than his Buu arc counterpart. He is refering to Gotenks, probably taking into account Goten and Trunks' ability to become a Super Saiya-jin. Goku: “We did it! But the simple fact is, Goku goes toe-to-toe with him for a significant period of time as an unfused Super Saiyan 3, the same as he did against Fat Buu. Or he was warming up, which ever you believe, either way it didn't matter because he was no match for Gohan. Krillin, Goten and Trunks are just idiots who rely on their eyes instead of sensing Ki; Krillin made the same mistake with Freeza. 1) Super Boo is stronger than him, made when he's inside of Super Boo. Agreed. Gogeta > Super Buu (base form) > SSJ3 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta. Now, when SSJ3 Goku fights Fat Buu, Piccolo notes that his power increases with every hit. That's all the evidence you really need. I must ask  Why you think Evil Buu would equal Kid Buu? Goku's later admission is specifically about who he fought, he didn't fight Super Buu. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! SS3 Gotenks was stronger than Super Buu and so is Kid Buu. Goku said that if he and Vegeta fought Super Buu, they would lose, which on its own could mean that Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, that would imply that Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu. Becasue the ability to get stronger, he is still no Buuhan or Buutenks, but over time his power has increased that much. there are people that actually believe buutenks and buuhan are weaker than kid buu, and that ssj3 goku could have handled all of them, because of sources outside of the manga released years after it ended trying to spin the narrative of "kid buu and ssj3 goku were the strongest characters in the series up to that point", despite all evidence in the actual series suggesting otherwise So this means that the Kid Buu at the end of DBZ is much stronger than the Kid Buu that obsorbed the Kai's, as he would be about on par with Evil Buu at the time of his creation. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Even ssj3 Goku couldn't beat kid Buu. Now, Piccolo has been a good soul since the Dragon Ball days, and has the previous Kame-sama inside of him. So you would have base Gogeta at least being 10x stronger than ssj3 Goku, once he goes super saiyan, he would be at least a whooping 500x stronger than ssj3 Goku, at bare minimum. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. Goten, Trunks and Krillin all failed to sense a power in Super Buu, which on its own could mean that Super Buu's ki isn't greater than Fat Buu's ki, which would imply SSJ3 Goku > Super Buu = Fat Buu. Buuhan. Supreme kai said that other kais make Buu weaker, but he was talking mostly about Fat Buu as weaker than kid Buu. Vegeta or Goku(forgot which) makes a comment about how Fat Buu seemed to be taking more damage because the opponent was a Buu … So this also says that even though Kid Buu is much stronger than he was a birth, he is still weaker than Super Buu. Even though SSJ3 Goku could have beaten Kid Buu, it's unlikely he could take on someone even stronger. I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. I've found this to be a way more tricky debate than I figured it would be. I will now be referring to him as Pure Boo from this point on so follow me here. Now, Vegeta rips the pod, and that is  when the SSK spirit actually leaves, as he was completley absorbed into Buu's body at this point. Now, Super Buu is the same as Fat Buu, but without the GSK's effects making him innocent and restraining his power. He fought pretty evenly with Kid Buu and said he thought he had the power ot destroy him. Now, after a fight with Gotenks, he befriends Hercule, and ultimately the SGK's plan is finally being put into effect. A monster created for killing. there are people that actually believe buutenks and buuhan are weaker than kid buu, and that ssj3 goku could have handled all of them, because of sources outside of the manga released years after it ended trying to spin the narrative of "kid buu and ssj3 goku were the strongest characters in the series up to that point", despite all evidence in the actual series suggesting otherwise Goku can kill Kid Buu, who is stronger than Super Buu. 2 years ago Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. He reverts back to Kid Buu, pure evil. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Buu%27s_by_level_of_strength?oldid=1290435. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Good Buu is in it. If Kid Buu was above Super Buu then that would mean SSJ3 Gotenks is < SSJ3 Goku. It's so clear he wasn't at full power. He would have to reach the level of Gotenks all on his own. Ssj3 Goku VS Fat Buu Gotenks Buu Kid Buu ... buu and possibly Kid buu if he had gone all out Although Gotenks Buu would be a different story since ssj gotenks is stronger than ssj3 goku … Hercule shows him what it means to have a friend and a good heart. well kid buu > fat buu is a stated fact and SSJ3 goku wolluped fat buu it was one of gokus most one sided fights ever majin buu couldnt even TOUCH him and this was a SSj3 goku who admited to piccolo he held back Uh, what? I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. As for the evidence that SSJ3 Goku could beat Super Buu. This is simply not true. Goku tells Fat Buu that a warrior stronger than himself will fight Buu in two days. The Z Fighters INCREASED his power. So, since they didn't decrease his power, that means that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, but weaker than Buutenks. So I believe, that Evil Buu was just the essence or mind of Kid Buu. In desperation, he absrobs Piccolo and SSJ3 Gotenks. Not the same mistake, or situation. Kid buu DID almost beat fat buu to death, so it shows that buu can be killed without vaporizing him with a spirit bomb. Now, he fights against SSJ3 Gotenks and almost loses. In Z it fluctuates and in Super, we know who’s stronger. SSJ3 Goku >= SSJ Gotenks Pre. Let me explain, Bibidi says if Buu serves him he will feed him cake forever. Now, Good Buu is the the combination of SSK, SGK, and the goodness inside Buu that Hercule found. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! I believe that gokus maximum power as SSJ3 is far stronger than fat buus max, but can he overcome buus hax regen before SSJ3 runs out? Only when Super Buu absorbed Gotenks SSJ3 and Picollo did he lose his ground. So, the GSK "weakend" Buu, but it ultimatley didn't matter. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. Now, after figthing with Super Grand Kai, he again absobs him as well. Now, Evil Buu is the presence of Kid Buu inside of Buu. So, Buu did not get a restrain on power like he did from the GSK, but an increase like he did from the SSK. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. That's not to say that Fat Buu and Kid Buu are the same in strength. SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. Although I think my list covers it better, you  have logical points to back the placement of the Buu's. There's this whole discussion of Kid Buu > Super Buu (base) because everyone thinks SSj3 can own Super Buu (base) because he was only a "little" stronger of Fat Buu who SSj3 Goku … You can call Goten and Trunks idiots if you want, the fact remains that they can sense ki, and didn't sense Super Buu's go up. Even if Gohan becomes stronger than Buu Saga Goku, there's just too much of a gap for him to overcome. Evil Buu is stated to be stronger than Kid Buu based on his fight with Mr. Good Buu. Just because it wasn't explicitly said before doesn't mean it wasn't the case. After the whole sheniganans with Super Buu and Buff Buu, Goku is more pleased to see Kid Buu than worried about his strength. This creates Fat Buu. I also want to know how Evil Buu is stronger than Fat Buu? I think. That means that Goku was worn out and tired when he made the comment about Super Buu killing him and Vegeta. Kid Buu does much better than Fat Buu, implying that over time Buu really does just get stronger. SF latif I dont have him that strong, and i dont have any buu character being hundreds of times stronger than a ssj3 goku, thats on you if you do. It's fucking basic powerscaling. 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